Betting on Wrestling Practice
Pooky here, with a quick update. As talked about in the comments on the last entry, we (my Mistress and I, and Anne and Cyn, who will be the four-woman wrestling team for Cyn’s bet, plus our friend Liz who just wants to play and help us practice) have started getting together for practice wrestling matches to make sure we’re in shape when the time comes to help Cyn win her bet.
We’ve worked out a system of stakes for the practice matches, to keep us motivated. Well, really, not to keep me motivated, because I’m not part of this system. I get punished on the spot if I lose a match (by my Mistress, who takes suggestions from the winner of the match and may let others participate if it pleases her). I don’t get anything if I win, except that I get to win a wrestling match, which is always fun (especially since it’s so rare that I get to have the upper hand even a tiny bit since my enslavement, that just having control over an opponent for a few seconds is a huge rush for me, even though I have to release them as soon as they “tap out,” and I’m strictly forbidden from exploiting my moment of power in any fun way… I’m not allowed to trash-talk, or to make a defeated opponent beg, or anything like that. But winning still feels good).
The other four, though, my Mistress, Anne, Cyn, and Liz, are all part of this betting system we’ve worked out. The stakes are hours of “slave time.” Loser of any match owes the winner one hour of slavery.
Since none of them want to spend a lot of time being each other’s slaves, they agreed that winning a match with someone you owe slave time to cancels out an hour of the debt, and your debt to someone has to go down to zero before they can owe you any slave time.
I guess it will make more sense with an example. If Cyn beats Anne, then Anne owes Cyn an hour of slave time. If Cyn beats Anne again, then Anne owes Cyn two hours of slave time. Let’s say that the third time they wrestle, Anne wins. Instead of Cyn owing Anne an hour, the hour comes out of Anne’s debt, so Anne is back to owing only one hour. If Anne wins their next match, then the debt is back to zero, and neither one of them has to be the other’s slave. If Anne wins again after her debt to Cyn is at zero, then Cyn owes Anne an hour. So two women can never be in debt to each other… either one of them has the upper hand, or the other one does (or it’s balanced out and neither one owes the other, if they’ve won and lost to each other completely equally).
All debts will be paid off after Cyn’s bet is finally over with, which gives fortunes plenty of time to shift back and forth… and gives the less-skilled wrestlers time to dig themselves in deep!
The scores so far:
Mistress Amy owes 1 hour to Anne.
Cyn owes 1 hour to Mistress Amy and 2 hours to Anne.
Liz owes 1 hour to Mistress Amy, 1 hour to Anne, and 2 hours to Cyn.
I haven’t lost any matches yet. Anne’s doing pretty well, too, as you can see!
I’ll keep you updated on the scores!
Comment by Nicky
I like that system.
Being a big fan of Making Games Even More Interesting, the first thing that came into my head when I read your description of this betting system was: “Can you trade and/or give away hours owed to you?”
If so, this could be used in at least a couple of different ways:
Trading hours:
Cyn owns 2 hours of Liz’s time.
Anne owns 1 hour of Amy’s time and 1 hour of Liz’s time.
Anne decides that she’d particularly enjoy owning Liz. She gives Cyn her hour of Amy’s time in exchange for one of Cyn’s hours of Liz’s time. Now Cyn has 1 hour of Amy’s time and 1 hour of Liz’s time, and Anne has 2 hours of Liz’s time.
Ransom:
Cyn owns 2 hours of Liz’s time.
Anne owns 2 hours of Cyn’s time.
Cyn gives her 2 hours of Liz’s time to Anne in exchange for the 2 hours of Cyn’s time that Anne had. Now Anne owns two hours of Liz’s time instead of 2 hours of Cyn’s time, and Cyn is free of her debt to Anne.
Things become especially interesting if there’s no fixed rate of exchange – i.e., if one can trade any number of hours for any other number of hours, as long as both of the parties who own those hours consent to the trade. That opens up possibilities like this one: Anne owns 1 hour of Cyn’s time. Cyn owns 7 hours of Liz’s time. Anne offers to give Cyn back the 1 hour of Cyn’s time, in exchange for all 7 hours of Liz’s time that Cyn currently owns. How badly does Cyn want to avoid serving that hour? Is it worth it to her to give up all 7 of her hours of Liz’s time? Can Anne intimidate her into making the trade, by making her nervous about what might happen to her during that hour?
Posted on March 4, 2010 at 2:52 am
Comment by Maybue
Way to go, Anne!
And good for you, Pooky. ;-)
I hope all this training can help you get into shape to defeat Cyn\’s boy.
From experience I know that guys tend to be ridiculously strong compared to how strong they seem to be.
I\’m not in terribly good shape myself, although I wouldn\’t say that I\’m a total wuss either. I do fitness and long trips with the bike and on foot. I thought that a bit of wrestling against one of my friends (a really thin nerdy guy, very nice, very smart, but just not in very good shape) would be a piece of cake. It wasn\’t. It was playful wrestling, but we were clearly matched and I think he was stronger than me even. I had to break free from the tussle and get away from him not to be overpowered. And he doesn\’t do any sports at all. So yeah, guys have that hormonal edge when it comes to strength.
Edit:
I have a suggestion that Pooky might like: for every time that she manages to beat Amy, she gets 10 minutes of reprieve from slavery. Mind you: she still has to be respectful and behave, but she just can\’t be given any orders for that period of time. Of course it\’s up to Amy to decide if Pooky deserves such a chance at reprieve.
Posted on March 4, 2010 at 3:19 am
Comment by Syke
After nearly 3 years. an extra 10 minutes or so wouldn’t go too amis. But i can see Amy then avoiding wrestling with Pooky, Even though pooky is the best wrestler and therefor the best person to pratice with.
While pooky isn’t getting anything out of winning. it would still be interesting to know how many times she’s beaten everybody.
Either way. i know i’m looking forward to reading the story of the outcome of the bet.
Posted on March 4, 2010 at 5:45 am
Comment by Pooky
Nicky: We all love your trading hours idea! We’re officially adopting it (including the last part about not having a “fixed rate of exchange”)!
Maybue: Thanks for the warning! We’ve all wrestled guys at one time or another, and we’ve experienced the same thing as you about that darned upper body strength advantage of theirs (which is hot, but annoying when you’re trying to beat them). That’s why Mistress Amy and Anne and I are only participating in the bet because it’s risk-free for us! We’d never bet our own butts on being able to beat this guy. But we’re okay with Cyn betting hers! We’ll get some amusement no matter what the outcome is!
And thanks for the idea of a reward for me! Mistress Amy and I will be negotiating the details, we’ll let you all know what she decides!
By the way, we’re doing a lot of matches, and all we’re bothering to keep track of is who owes what to who at the end of the day. For instance, when I said that Mistress Amy owed 1 hour to Anne, that doesn’t mean that they only wrestled once or that Anne is undefeated. Mistress Amy and Anne have wrestled five times so far, and Mistress Amy has won twice and Anne has won three times, so Mistress Amy owes 1 hour to Anne because Anne is ahead by 1 match right now in their very close rivalry.
Posted on March 4, 2010 at 11:38 am
Comment by Xoic
In my much more limited experience at wrestling I’ve been surprised at my own strength relative to women (and I’m not very athletic). I am also surprised however by how exhausting it is to maintain control. If you can use gravity and leg muscles then four back to back matches will likely leave the fellow overwhelmed.
Wearing the minimal amount of clothing during the matches will also impair his judgment. Guys are so visual.
Posted on March 5, 2010 at 8:04 am
Comment by Pooky
Xoic: Exhausting him with four back to back matches is what we’re counting on.
As for the clothing, it’s true that showing a lot of skin might give us an advantage, but we’ve decided we’re more interested in setting it up so that if he loses, he never gets to see us even close to naked, for reasons of psychological dominance. He’ll be wrestling in shorts and a t-shirt, we’ll be wrestling in shorts, sports bras, and t-shirts. Not going for shorts and shirts that are tight or short or otherwise revealing, either.
This also gives us a psychological advantage that will probably be even more fun than trying to impair his judgment with skimpy outfits: a woman wearing shorts and a heavy-duty bra and t-shirt can hide being turned on, while a guy wearing shorts has a hard time hiding it (so to speak). Should be fun, and the awkwardness should throw him off his game a little!
Posted on March 5, 2010 at 8:53 am
Comment by Xoic
Pooky,
You’ve really thought this through! Of course if your t-shirts were a little loose around the neck it could still be distracting for him even if he ultimately can’t see anything. And you’re probably right about what will throw him off.
Has this guy said anything about the bet? I wonder what he’s thinking. I’m sure part of his brain is spinning at the idea of winning and another part is hoping he loses.
And Pooky, I feel honored by your reply. The story of how you got your name is probably the best reason ever for inventing the Internet.
Posted on March 5, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Comment by Syke
Xoic i don’t think Pooky would personally agree with your idea about the invetion of the Internet. Who knows what Pooky would be doing now though if she hadn’t underestimated Lila and the Magnificent 7? It’s actuly just over 3 years. This update was posted on Pooky’s 3rd Birthday. Somone should have done somthing. Maybe a Summer from Yoko or somthing?
If this guy is as focused about winning as i think i would be. Then he wouldn’t let a trick like that distract him.
Posted on March 6, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Comment by Xoic
If Pooky has to be happy in some way with her situation. If not, then things have to change drastically and very quickly.
That’s one thing we never really did hear. We never heard Pooky’s side of the story, only what she was told to say.
The women in this bet actually have a way of cheating. Presumably the first one or two will lose but if they refuse to accept it and keep struggling then they continue to wear the guy out even though they’ve lost.
Posted on March 8, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Comment by Amy
The questions about what my Pooky would be doing if she hadn’t disrespected her betters and gotten herself enslaved, and whether or not she’s happy in some way as my slave, are questions that I don’t think anyone can be forced to answer honestly unless they want to… not even a slave like my Pooky (though Yoko seemed to be able to get Lila to spill her innermost secrets on command, but I think that’s part of Yoko’s special magic power). So, I’ve told Pooky that she can post an entry with some answers to these questions anytime she wants to, and that it’s totally her choice whether she does or not. She’s talked to me about her feelings, of course… she has no secrets from me. But whether she’s ready to write about it here, well, that’s one of the few things that I think even Pooky should have a choice about.
And Xoic, you’re right, we do have that way of cheating, and many other ways, too, and we intend to cheat in every way we can!
Posted on March 8, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Comment by Anne
Yoko’s power as a domme is pretty amazing, alright! I hope I never have the chance to be on the receiving end of it! I certainly wouldn’t dream of ever disrespecting her – besides the fact that I think she’s awesome, I also know that if I ever did disrespect her, she’d find a way to make me pay somehow! Neige’s recent confession of her feelings about Yoko was another amazing reminder of the effect Yoko can have – how did she get under Neige’s skin so much that Neige couldn’t help but eventually admit it, all that time later?
Personally, I think it’s connected with how bold she is about being totally willing to make wild calls that most people just wouldn’t have the guts to make. Just look at how totally she took control of Lila’s life. Lila was her total slave for a few whole years! Somehow she just knew that she could take it that far, and she went ahead and did it, bold as you please!
Syke, you mentioned Yoko underestimating Lila and the Magnificent 7. She sure did, but as a member of the Magificent 7, I have to say that it was Yoko who Pooky underestimated the most. We all did! I don’t know about Lila (who basically set up Pooky’s fall as a gift to Yoko, and left Pooky’s fate in Yoko’s hands), but the rest of us were expecting that after several weeks of teaching her a lesson she’d never forget, Yoko would declare Pooky’s punishment over! I guess maybe Lila was thinking the same thing when she made her own bets with Yoko. It was Yoko’s call to keep Lila enslaved literally for years before freeing her, and to sentence Pooky to three years of slavery so far, with no end in sight!
That’s what I mean about Yoko. How many women are really dominant and bold enough to cheerfully punish another woman for disrespect by making her literally spend *years* of her life as a sex slave? No wonder she’s capable of having the kind of effect she had on Neige!
As for Pooky’s happiness, I think Amy is making the right call in letting Pooky choose whether she ever wants to write about her real feelings, but as her longtime friend, I’ve got to say that despite her embarrassment and her complaints about her lot in life, I think she’s a much happier person than she used to be!
Posted on March 9, 2010 at 12:54 am
Comment by Syke
I believe i said Pooky underestimated Lila and the Magnificent 7.
I was also implying that Pooky might not be totatly happy with being called Pooky when compared to her former name. As for Pooky being happier than before. That’s good, although Pooky would Relish the chance of Freedom. With Amy and the Magnificient 7 around, that would always be a constant reminder of how easily defeated she was.
I’m not asking Pooky to write up her feelings about where she think she would be. That’s somthing Personal that i doubt we’ll ever know.
Posted on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 am
Comment by Xoic
I for one would love to hear Pooky’s side of things. But then again you know how guys are: always wanting to talk about feelings!
Unless Cyn’s fellow is on steroids or has a martial arts background, he’s probably sunk. Four rounds sounds exhausting. (Assuming that Cyn hasn’t been set up. Not that that ever happens around here.)
If the bet is lost then all that could be said is that better use could have been made of Yoko’s years of example of aikido practice.
Posted on March 9, 2010 at 7:15 am
Comment by Syke
On Guttergaunt no-one is ever set up unless they’ve agreed to it first. (recalling Pooky’s statement about if Lila could beat her.)
Your right about using Yoko as an example Xoic
(When did people stop refering to Yoko as Mistress Yoko?)
Posted on March 9, 2010 at 8:24 am
Comment by Pooky
We’ve been known to set people up, but when it comes to betting against boys, female solidarity (and the chance to have a cute boy at our mercy) comes first!
Yeah, I’m not too thrilled about the name. At this point, even if I were set free, I’m probably stuck with the name for life among my friends.
And *I* still refer to her as Mistress Yoko, and call her “Ma’am” when I address her. I wouldn’t dare not to. The other people who’ve been posting lately don’t call anyone Mistress because they aren’t slaves… at least not right now.
Posted on March 9, 2010 at 10:03 am
Comment by Xoic
At this point though “Pooky” sounds like a term of endearment. Or even a normal name. Like say “Amy.” It’s not like anyone reads the Garfield comic strip anymore.
Posted on March 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Comment by Amy
As far as I’m concerned, it’s definitely a term of endearment!
Posted on March 10, 2010 at 8:36 am
Comment by Xoic
So Pooky is there any chance that you’ll give us your side of things, “the world according to Pooky?”
I suppose that since you were given a choice for once that that creates a certain pleasure in not doing it.
Posted on March 11, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Comment by Syke
When i think of Yoko the Mistress is still there in my mind. having read so much of Lila’s entrys it just gets into my head.
I realise that among your friends and probebly guttergaunt. your stuck for life with “Pooky” but at least be glad that no-one posting on here at least is calling you by Yoko’s full chosen name for you “Little Pookybear”.
Pooky is soo well rooted that if you did ever gain freedom. I think you’d have a hard time posting a message on here under the name Valkyrie again because of your own inner-conflict reguardless of wether you would have no comeback on it.
I’d like to read about your freedom one day pooky. But you’ve still got a long way to go to earn it.
Posted on March 11, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Comment by Pooky
Xoic: I’ll probably write a little something about it eventually. Mostly it’s just lack of time that keeps me from writing more about that kind of thing. After all, all the things I *don’t* have a choice about doing have to get done before I can make time for the things I *do* have a choice about.
To answer things briefly, though: from my perspective, my life doesn’t exactly suck. My duties as a slave basically require me to spend most of my time with a beautiful woman I adore, who mostly requires me to join her in a lot of activities that I already liked doing.
Posted on March 12, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Comment by Xoic
Pooky: Thank you very much for your explanation. It is appreciated. Like I said before it’s always felt like your viewpoint is what’s missing from this blog. I think it’s the first time you’ve ever freely said on here how you feel about Amy.
I hope you’ll someday be allowed to find the time to write more. One question that I’ve long been curious about is your take on Lila’s theory that you were a “stealth submissive” all along and just didn’t want to admit it or whether the truth is more complicated.
Posted on March 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Comment by Syke
Xioc the name for that is called Stockholm syndrome. Phycologicly all people slightly long for a leader to tell them what to do in 1 way or other.
Pooky has been found somone with whom she’s developed a very strong bond with. without knowing more i wouldn’t quite call it love. But it’s clear that this isn’t just Stockholm syndrome it’s something so much more. it’s a bond between Slave and Mistress that’s grown to a point where in their own ways they love each other. That has been helped by the closeness and support from people on guttergaunt and their close friends around them.
It’s a long way from a dog bowl of dog food spiked with Laxative.
Posted on March 13, 2010 at 7:06 am
Comment by yoko
Wow! I leave for a couple of weeks, and I come back to a fascinating discussion here!
I agree with Amy– it’s up to the Pooks to decide whether she wants to write about her life here. From all account, I know she’s happy with Amy (and vice versa), and I wouldn’t mess with that.
And aside from Pooky-pooky (and Little Daisypoo, should I decide to play with her), calling me Yoko is fine. I’m not looking to have more slaves right now. But Mistress Yoko is better. ;)
Posted on March 30, 2010 at 5:25 pm